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so i've been reading lately about eating seasonally ,and that perhaps "forcing" chickens to lay in the winter by putting a light in their coop goes against nature (and the chickens well-being), and compromises the nutritional quality of the eggs.... and yet we spend over $40/month on quality organic feed so it's tough to ignore the math on that one if we don't get eggs this winter... i'd love to hear any thoughts/theories on what ya'll do in the winter and why that makes sense to you.
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Hobby or Commercial
Tue, October 23, 2007 - 10:08 AMIs this a hobby or a commercial operation? If commercial, the literature exists and should be widely available from your local extension service, and most people who are buying eggs in winter will have to select from eggs which are laid in winter (making the nutritional concern moot).
Hobbyists tend to do things like name their chickens, not light and keep animals after they have passed their productive age. Commercial operations often have humane processes but with metrics and flows that "pencil out" and involve lights, distinct cadres/cohorts of pullets and culling older birds. -
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Re: Hobby or Commercial
Tue, October 23, 2007 - 9:58 PMNo lights for me, I let the girls do what they are going to do. And as far as names..hell yeah...and culling older birds, no way! I have chickens as friends so I believe in just letting them do their chicken business and not interfere too much besides protecting them from predators. -
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Re: Hobby or Commercial
Wed, October 24, 2007 - 9:15 AMI was thinking of putting a heatlamp in their coop in the day, once it starts getting colder. I have also been debating of leaving it on once the night temps start dipping. I covered the run itselve with a tarp that has aluminum lining so it soaks up the warmth of the day and they stay nice and comfortable in the night. I have four banties and they like to sleep in a haybail stacked on top of the henhouse, but house and pen are three quarters enclosed. And they get to roam during the day. -
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Re: Hobby or Commercial
Wed, October 24, 2007 - 12:54 PMwhat temp is too cold for chickens? I have 3 that are out there in the yard, they have straw to bed in at night and are inside, but here in the PNW the temps can do weird things from day to day, and with the rain it can seem much colder than it really is. So far mine have been fine, but I too wondered about a heat source for when it gets winter cold. -
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Temp Varies by Breed
Wed, October 24, 2007 - 1:32 PMDifferent chickens tend to have different comfort zones and (if they are able) will tend to cluster together in low-draft areas to stay warm. Generally speaking, the larger breeds are more cold-tolerant (and hence popular). Ever wonder why so many popular chicken breeds have New England names? That is why: Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Jersey, Plymouth Rock. No chicken is *happy* when one's breath can fog, but so long as they have a relatively low-draft space where they can conceive body heat, they can take short stints of it so long as they have liquid water. On really cold days, my girls cluster together in the laying boxes and sleep there rather than on the perch.
Aracunas tend to be less tolerant of extreme temperatures: either high or low.
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Re: Hobby or Commercial
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 1:26 AMi was once told that leaving their poop in the house over the winter helps substantially in keeping things much warmer at night. Part of me really sees the logic in that, and another part of me is worried about them asphyxiating on all the methane.
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Re: Hobby or Commercial
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 12:37 PMthe composting manure gives off heat... but i think there would have to be a lot of it to make a noticable difference. it might work in a commercial coop... but i kinda doubt my 5 chickens are going to heat themselves that way.
they're birds. they are capable of staying warm outdoors. they are even more capable in a draft-free indoor coop environment.
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Re: to light or not to light... that is the question
Wed, November 14, 2007 - 10:49 PMI used light the first year but did not see a huge increase in production for the cost of feed and the additional electricity. I decided to let my girls lay according to their natural seasonal cycle and just be hens (and friends).
This is the first year I do not have a rooster and the girls seem much calmer also, though I do miss the crowing at all hours of the day and night!
Michele
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Re: to light or not to light... that is the question
Sat, December 1, 2007 - 9:56 AMHi Kasia, I have a red heat lamp (the kind used in bathroom fixtures to heat from above) hanging in my coop for my girls all winter long. It is plugged into a timer and comes on around 6 pm now that it's darker earlier and they roost about that time, and it goes off around 8 am. I figure the red light is a lot less disruptive to their cycles that a bright light bulb on all night, and based on the fact that they have plenty of room to roost all sorts of places, and they are ALWAYS right near it at night, that tells me they like it. People in cold climates say their chickens live through the winter without any heat at all, and I believe they do, but how comfortably??? I want my friends to be as happy as possible and they choose to sleep near the heat lamp. I'm also in the expensive organic feed camp, and really it all seems to go together if you ask me... -
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Re: to light or not to light... that is the question
Sat, December 1, 2007 - 2:55 PMI looked into the red heat lamps but decided that the enclosed space was too small for something that "hot"... so we bought a black light bulb and have been using that. It is still pretty dark in there at night and the bulb gives off enough heat to keep them happily roosting all night and into the morning.
I am total softie for my animals (says the woman who just gave her cat a moisturizing bath for her dry irritated skin) so even though I know the ladies would be fine out there with no extra heat through most of our winter, I just couldn't let them go through that. -
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Re: to light or not to light... that is the question
Thu, December 13, 2007 - 10:06 PMYou can buy water pipe heating sets and some threaded water pipe large enough to place the heating wire inside. Then assemble the pipes into a roosting configuration suitable to your chickens and coop. Each one piece set has a built in thermometer that kicks on at 38` and off at 52` keeping their most exposed parts comfortable without excessive cost and zero maintenance.
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